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by quadibloc
Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:02 am
Forum: Resources
Topic: Western Mysterious Eye
Replies: 4
Views: 4675

Re: Western Mysterious Eye

I just recently saw the video referenced in this thread by finding it through a YouTube search. I had heard of the Mysterious Eye through reading Dick Bueschel's "Lemons, Cherries, and Bell-Fruit Gum" - although I'd seen a Billboard ad for it in previous searches, I took no notice of it. B...
by quadibloc
Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:28 am
Forum: Let's Talk about Slots
Topic: Mills Dice Restoration
Replies: 4
Views: 4511

Re: Mills Dice Restoration

The worst machines I ever restored are two Mills Dice. Man, the company must have been crazy to start such a project. You're not far wrong. Mills lost a considerable amount of money because of the machine. However, one of the Mills brothers who was a regional manager in California was able to make ...
by quadibloc
Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:32 pm
Forum: Questions and Answers
Topic: How many cherries?
Replies: 63
Views: 23186

Re: How many cherries?

To get accurate information on questions like this, I looked at old issues of Billboard magazine, to see what slot machines were advertised at the time to operators. In the November 1945 issue of Billboard, Mills' first post-war machine, the "Cherry Bell" is shown. Despite its name, the pa...
by quadibloc
Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:36 pm
Forum: Open Forum
Topic: Bell-Fruit Gum Company: Fact or Fiction?
Replies: 33
Views: 31918

Re: Bell-Fruit Gum Company: Fact or Fiction?

In the very early Mills machines with a spearmint leaf symbol, that symbol was later replaced by the cherries, not the bar or the bell. The reel strips of that kind had a bar, but the bar symbol was the blue stick of "Liberty Bell Gum-Fruit" instead of "Bell-Fruit Gum" as on thei...
by quadibloc
Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:23 pm
Forum: Let's Talk about Slots
Topic: 30 min film tour of the Mills factory 1935
Replies: 16
Views: 7012

Re: 30 min film tour of the Mills factory 1935

I had only recently heard about the Mills Dice machine, a little-known competitor to the Buckley Bones and Bally Reliance. I hadn't realized, although that certainly sounds plausible, that it was a major debacle for the company. I had learned from another forum that because the design was complicate...
by quadibloc
Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:45 am
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

Next you'll be suggesting some of them had false Jack pots on the front with coins you could never win! That would be the Seven Way Multi-Bell for one. I'm not knowledgeable enough to come up with more examples. I see I missed your post where you gave its reel strip layout. Left drum: 13 compartmen...
by quadibloc
Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:07 am
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

So, what would be the odds of the dice in the window of a Buckley Bones coming up the same? As we know, the Buckley Bones and the Bally Reliance didn't actually throw dice; it had reels which, instead of having reel strips with symbols printed on them, had little boxes with dice, the height of the ...
by quadibloc
Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:54 am
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

Mathematically derived theoretical odds are never a perfect description of real world odds. Except for being a generalization, that is pretty much true. Dice aren't perfect cubes, spinning wheels of fortune aren't absolutely perfect, and so on, and so any such device would be slightly biased. Even ...
by quadibloc
Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:44 pm
Forum: Questions and Answers
Topic: Shakespeare says...........
Replies: 7
Views: 5094

Re: Shakespeare says...........

You are correct; a quick search shows that the quote is both from Hamlet, and slightly altered, the original form being:

There's a Divinity that shapes our ends, rough-hew them how we will.
by quadibloc
Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:35 am
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

you say text book quote was correct except the bit i added at the end...I did NOT add anything ,I cut and pasted the complete thing,as was,no changes. I can see where the confusion came from. An expression like 3:7 is another way of saying the ratio 3/7, which emphasizes that it is a ratio comparin...
by quadibloc
Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:59 pm
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

Also: I've made an update to the page showing how the percentages change if the jackpot is assumed to be 100 coins. Since the change to the percentage is linear, that can be used to calculate the percentage for any value of the jackpot. Since my method of calculation appears to be novel, I felt it u...
by quadibloc
Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

I have a little web page about slot machines, at this page: http://www.quadibloc.com/math/sloint.htm On that page, I work out the house percentage for the regular Futurity (16.01%) and the Futurity Gold Award (27.25%). This excludes the jackpots, though. This was something that could be done using p...
by quadibloc
Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:46 pm
Forum: Let's Talk about Slots
Topic: Jamiesons update
Replies: 4
Views: 2837

Re: Jamiesons update

I've encountered this web site before. I found it a very interesting resource; reading the page on the Aristocrat collection was very informative, as most of the books on slot machines I've read have concentrated on American makers.
by quadibloc
Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:43 am
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

I see it wasn't mentioned in this thread yet: the reason for the dual 10-stop arrangement on the early Mills BONUS machines was simply so that players would have to wait 10 spins before getting BONUS at least, instead of getting it in five spins if they were very lucky. However, since the chance of ...
by quadibloc
Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:02 am
Forum: Let's Talk about Slots
Topic: Bottom of the Slots - The Hall of Shame
Replies: 106
Views: 51922

Re: Bottom of the Slots - The Hall of Shame

This has got to be the worst Beromat conversion ever produced in the history of slots, probably has Formica sides and should have been left in the barn! In a different forum on this site, I found that machine; it turns out that instead of being a Beromat conversion, It is called a Sterling, one of ...
by quadibloc
Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:58 am
Forum: Let's Talk about Slots
Topic: OK, let's talk RARE one arm bandits....
Replies: 31
Views: 16484

Re: OK, let's talk RARE one arm bandits....

It's true some Caille machines had strawberries as a symbol. On this one, the strawberries replace oranges, the crown replaces the bell, and the Silver King replaces the bar. The crown makes me think of the 6 Fruit 6 Rotamint, and the Silver King makes me think it came from a Silver King Casino some...
by quadibloc
Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:43 pm
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

Incidentally, although I had previously seen the French site that documented the Mills Bonus machine, the URL in the post above mine for it is no longer valid. I've added, therefore, more detail to what was a brief description of the Mills Bonus to my own page. And now I've updated the page further ...
by quadibloc
Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Questions and Answers
Topic: Jennings Governor 'win percent' rate question...
Replies: 17
Views: 9915

Re: Jennings Governor 'win percent' rate question...

Obviously, if the jackpot took every coin, and never overflowed, all the coins played would eventually come back to the player. So in the case of the jackpot taking every coin until it is full, you must take overflows into account. One way to do it is, as you mentioned, to use the capacity of the ja...
by quadibloc
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: Discoveries
Topic: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?
Replies: 34
Views: 20404

Re: Mills Futurity - A cheating Mills Bandit?

The Mills Futurity certainly would seem to qualify as a rigged slot machine. Usually, it works as a 10-stop machine, paying out only about 20% of the money that comes in. On two of the ten spins as the meter moves towards refunding the player's money, however, it gives back twice as much money as is...
by quadibloc
Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:35 am
Forum: Questions and Answers
Topic: Jennings Governor 'win percent' rate question...
Replies: 17
Views: 9915

Re: Jennings Governor 'win percent' rate question...

I don't think there ever was a fixed percentage payout in the pre electric days I don't see how that is possible, on a machine with random stops and a fixed order of symbols. You can have a probability of winning but not a fixed percentage, not for certain. You are quite correct. However, the amoun...