To repaint my Sega Bell or leave original?

[slotalot]

To remove the main handle bush from the cabinet, I found that two allen keys wedged in two of the holes and an extenstion bar between the two, worked a treat (I was surprised how stable this was).

IMP - It's a reverse thread, so clockwise to undo!

If you think that you may have to do a few machines, it might be worth you buying the right tool for the job you can get then on Ebay for under a tenner, and you get to keep the skin on your knuckles were it belongs
just look for " adjustable pin wrench"

[timosix]

Does anyone know what these two 'widgets' do? One is a copper rod which gets depressed when the door to closed, the other seems to a lever for adjusting something?

http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/timob ... y.jpg.html

I am also looking for some guidance regarding getting the jackpot mechanism working. I believe this little post on the top of the payout slides lifts the lever above it which drops the jackpot out? Are there any guides for jackpot mechanism refurbing/repair?

http://s1023.photobucket.com/user/timob ... y.jpg.html

I am intending to degrease the escalator in paraffin, allow to dry and polish the internal coin guides with Autosol. Is this OK? I have read on this forum that the payout slides much not be lubricated in any way but I take it cleaning and polishing up is OK?

Anyone know where I can get cheap bulk sixpences and they seem to be rather expensive on eBay? Oh and is there an easy way of cleaning them for use in our machines. I was just going to hand scrub in hot water and detergent as I am not worried about keeping them in mint finish, just free from grime would be good.

Thanks

[coppinpr]

The thin one is the operating lever stop, used to interrupt the cycle if there are jams, usually in the escalator. The other one is the machine cycle bypass lever, used to quickly load the coin tube with coins by allowing the escalator to operate without cycling the mech.

You are right about the top slide jackpot release. The book to get is the "Owner's Pictorial Guide to Mills Machines". This will show all aspects of jp service and rebuild.

Yes, clean and polish (lightly) the escalator. As you said, you will need to very lightly oil the parts that are away from the coins themselves.
There are usually bulk 6ds at the Coventry auction next Sunday.

[badpenny]

As Coppinpr says .... tanners by the truck load next Sun at Coventry.

[timosix]

Thanks for the reply Coppinpr. The thin lever would usually be pressed in by the back door so are you saying it only operates to interrupt the cycle if the back door is off and the rod is outwards?

I have just had a go at scrubbing the escalator with paraffin, its a messy and smelly business and I am wondering why I don't adopt the same approach I have been using to initially clean the cabinet metal parts, that is to use really, really hot water with sugar soap/detergent and clean with a brush or light scouring pad as I guess the point of using a solvent is to break down the dried on grease and oil which you can pretty much do with hot water and detergent. The metal components of the mechanism all seem to be mild steel with some sort of coating which doesn't seem to rust (I am sure you will contradict me on that one ) By using really hot water it tends to evaporate after you have cleaned leaving it shiny and dry after a 10 minutes or so.

Coventry auction - I would love to come down. If anyone can scoup some sixpences for me I would gladly send some money by PayPal or similar. I reckon I need at least 400 for that machine.

[coppinpr]

Let us know where you're based and I'm sure someone will be close to you and buy for you.

I don't know how bad the escalator was, but when I clean them I simply take them completly to pieces and clean with a spray cleaner with bleach in it. Any rust I use very very fine wire wool on just the rust, then polish.

[timosix]

Hi.

The Escalator was not that bad and I have just managed to clean up one of the components better by scrubbing with hot water/detergent and then a quick polish rather than the paraffin method. That said when I get to the Clock I would rather just immerse it in paraffin within a plastic box and give it some agitation.

Are there any decent UK supplier of Sega/Mill High top spares. I am trying to get some upper payout finger springs, escalator spring, oh and those rectangle retaining washers would be good too. Mr Slot in the USA looks like he has everything but did I read on here that you have to make sure order isn't over £15 or you have to pay import tax?

I am in Sheffield if anyone can help with the coins, parts. That Coventry Auction sounds like I would learn a lot there. Do they sell all sorts of spares as well as complete machines?

Thanks again.

[JC]

That Coventry Auction sounds like I would learn a lot there. Do they sell all sorts of spares as well as complete machines?

Yes, indeed there will be oodles of bandit spares, as well as many wonderful machines. And yes, you will learn a lot. Coventry is the biggest slotties' event in the UK and it only happens once a year, so if you miss this you'll have to wait another year. So order yourself yourself a catalogue, and we'll see you next Sunday.

[url]http://www.mechanicalmemoriesmagazine.c ... 4557541957[/url]

[timosix]

OK you have convinced me, I have bought a catalogue for the auction. What time does it start and when does it finish? I will have to bring my 9yr old daughter with me, does she get in free?

Is the Arena just for previous auction prices?

Oh and I know the only two parts to grease on a bandit is the main fork bearings and the handle spindle, is silicone grease OK to use or does it have to be automotive lithium based gunk?

[slotalot]

Is the Arena just for previous auction prices?

The Arena is filled with lots & lots of interesting stuff and well worth the entry fee

[coppinpr]

Mr Slot in the USA looks like he has everything but did I read on here that you have to make sure order isn't over £15 or you have to pay import tax?

It's just your luck really. I'm tempting fate, but I've never been charged any tax on orders from Dave and I've spent a couple of hundred sometimes.

The auction starts at 10.30 I believe and actually appears never to end, time you've paid, had a coffee with friends, tried to work out how you can get three High Tops and Joltan the fortune teller into the back of a Mini, had another coffee, dragged all your treasure across the car park, strapped Joltan to the roof and put a High Top in the front seat, given your wife the price of a third class train ticket home and left - it's between 6pm and 7pm.

[timosix]

I have pretty much finished the cabinet. Thanks to Henry for persevering with the new oak base for me, I am really happy with the effect of the beeswax rubbed in, the wood colour matches quite well.

I am still not sure whether to get the metal castings repainted but, if I did, I would want the same matt red crinkle finish.

Now on to the Mech itself. I have put it in the cabinet to give it a whirl and the reels do spin and it does sometimes pay out. I am really enjoying this, thanks to everyone on here who has helped me along.

[jonesthegarage]

To paint or not to paint? Timosix, here is another - on 1d, hence a Copper Sega, and it's not as shiny as you're making yours but it would be a travesty to repaint and lose all that aged character - you can't fake it so once it's gone, it's gone forever. Bite the bullet now, clean it and enjoy and leave the paint in the cupboard.

[marktol]

Looks great,

I would suggest maybe touching up the black on the Sega logo and the 6D badge and leave the red as it is. I think that might be sufficient for it to look good enough without doing a full respray and preserves most of the originality.

Mark

[timosix]

Jonesthegarage - it's a good point you make. I am just really happy that I have got it back together. It's great to see the machine operate after all these years, although the mechanism is really quite slow now so the mech really needs a helping hand. This is phase 2....

I didn't even know about the Copper Segas. I managed to get the date off mine as 1963, so what year did Sega start manufacturing these machines?

[badpenny]

Have you seen This site on old Segas?

BP

[jonesthegarage]

Yes, I've seen that site and another is segaretro.org but no-one seems sure about dating these machines or perhaps what the difference is between types a, b, c, and d.

For instance the picture on your link is identical for type a and for type b.

On Segaretro the type b and type c look the same to me.

Anyone know the differences?

[badpenny]

......... different letters

[timosix]

Hi. I have seen that website. I am glad jonesthegarage commented on the lack of difference for the models they list. I couldn't tell the difference either! If anyone has any info could you let us know? Thanks

[treefrog]

Not sure the difference between an A and B, the pictures are the same.....C and D the cabinets look very different...I am guessing 99% we see today are type D. The early one's have the reel window columns, I have never seen one in my 6 years of collecting, has anyone?