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BM Co. auto-pay Wizard & Allwin

Postby junior » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:06 pm

Hi,
I have just started looking at my newest addition which is a good looking Wizard allwin, however I've a couple of problems and would appreciate advice and help. Firstly, when I put penny in it does not go down the slide it, goes anywhere but down the slide. After a while it became obvious that there are two parts to the slide and I'm missing the top. How can I get over this? I am also missing a 'Win' sign from above the gallery. Where or how do I get one of these made? Finally, I have a lock with no key. I have reluctantly taken things apart as far as I dare but I can't get the board off the bolts. Has anyone done this before? As a newbie I am worried about damage I might do.
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Re: Bm co- wizard

Postby badpenny » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:34 pm

Wotcha .....

I think we need photos matey.
I for one am confused, as you say you have a lock but no key, which suggests perhaps you're locked out of it?
However you say you're missing the top part of the coin chute, so you can't be locked out.

If you're not locked out why are you taking the board off?
Do you mean the back of the play field and not the back of the case?

If so, why are you taking that off?
If you're trying to get to the play field, doesn't the glass slide out?
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Re: Bm co- wizard

Postby junior » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:55 pm

Hi BP,
There was never a back on the machine. The door is open but the lock is in locked position. I'm not sure where the dictator is but I do have an uncle who wants to be an auntie. I will add photos soon.

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Re: Bm co- wizard

Postby treefrog » Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:56 am

I believe the one below is your machine. BP maybe a little confused, but on many allwins you need to remove the back board to get to the lock on the door, which is covered. As long as all other components have been removed that would prevent the board being lifted, you could use light taps with a hammer to either push the bolts through or try and get some leverage under the board to lift it up. Be careful though as you cannot remove the glass obviously.

In terms of the penny dropping, can you explain where the issue is.

Question for the old Allwin specialists out there, I assume this BMCo machine with auto payout uses a simple trigger to release the coin either back to the player or cash box depending on win or lose. Why do so many have a single slide and manual payout if this works !PUZZLED!
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Re: Bm co- wizard

Postby gameswat » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:37 am

treefrog wrote:Why do so many have a single slide and manual payout if this works
TF, obviously they didn't work very well!! I'm sure it's because those Auto mechs were too fragile, as shown by the Mr PM post a little while ago with broken teeth from the coin cradle. Every operator would've had tons of manual parts laying around to repair a broken Auto Pay, and any brand of parts would work. Otherwise they had to repair, or find those specific parts from a wrecked BMCO Auto-Pay, and likely to easily bugger up again soon enough. And imagine how expensive those Auto-Pay machines were new compared to the industry standard Manuals!? Can't have sold many for that reason alone.

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Bm co wizard

Postby junior » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:33 am

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Tf yep that's the back of my machine. After entering a penny, what I call the slide is where the coins stack up on end, 7 in total. It comes in two parts. The top part is missing and that keeps the coins flat as it sits on the bottom part. Without the top there's nothing to guide the coins, and does anyone have any ideas on a small round win sign for above the gallery?
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Re: Bm co- wizard

Postby pennymachines » Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:50 am

As Gameswat says, expense of manufacture and unreliability/unfix-ability caused by the considerable extra complexity of the BM Co. carousel auto pays would account for their rarity. That said, in good condition they work well, particularly if you can ensure only decent quality pennies are used. Problems arose when thin and bent coins caused jams and punters continued to force them through the slot until one of those thin aluminium compartments broke.

The BM Co. Wizard has a much simpler, more robust auto pay system. However, it is probably even less tolerant of thin and bent coins because it stacks a maximum of seven on end, releasing them individually via retracting fingers from the bottom.

While we await the before and after pictures of Junior's transgender uncle/auntie, here's the part missing from his machine. It clips over the existing chute via three lugs and is held in place by gravity. I find it works better secured in the middle with a small metal clamp which is easy to remove in case of a jam.

I think it's very unlikely anyone is holding a spare like this, but if you can find someone with a milling machine, it wouldn't be difficult to make from 5mm aluminium sheet.
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Re: BM Co. Wizard

Postby gameswat » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:36 pm

Ah, I didn't look closely at that last photo of the innards. But is that actually a later BMCO factory Auto-Pay, or just another operator's revamp to simplify the issues??

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Bm co wizard

Postby junior » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:46 pm

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There were two different methods of auto payouts that I know of on BM Co. I am not sure which was first or dates of manufacture or which machines had different auto payouts.

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Re: BM Co. Wizard

Postby pennymachines » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:29 pm

As far as I know, the Wizard was the only allwin BM Co. produced using this mechanism. I've seen a number of them over the years and although the styling looks more modern to my eye, they were apparently first made in 1933, a year before the complex carousel mechanism was patented. Evidently BM Co. were determined to bring the allwin into the 20th Century by making it auto-pay, like its bandit cousin. A few years later they resorted to solenoids on the Fleet Air Arm and sister allwins.


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