Lock for allwin flick ball machine

[pennymachines]

I thought it was Argee being mean not you? Mei-mei

Most of us are grumpy until about 1.30.

Particularly liked the combination padlock made by John Hough.

And the combination is... HOUGH.

If it is not too much trouble would you get one cut for me?

OK - pop them in the post.

[mei-mei]

Tooooooooo?

[pennymachines]

See PM re Challenger plates.

[mei-mei]

So sorry I have completely lost the plot today. Mei-mei

[bryansshort]

I made a simple lock pick and opened my yale lock then set about cutting my own key, it's not that difficult. You need a blank of course and I had to do a bit of convincing as to why I wanted blank keys. You need to understand how your lock works, look on Youtube, plenty of lock picking videos on there then you'll see what the key does. A bit of paint or tipex on the blank then inserted into the lock will reveal what the key is trying to hit and what it's trying to avoid it's just a case of removing material with a hacksaw and file a bit at a time. Have a go.

[mei-mei]

Neat idea briansshort will give it some thought after I have checked out You tube. Mei-mei

[arrgee]

I thought it was Argee being mean not you

What, me......... mean? my grandchildren think I am a cuddly old chap.
We did tell the poor office lad in the end, so he did not have to go out again - so instead, the boss got him to stand on a concrete block for a while to test the crushing strength !
Incidentally, I also have one of those locks without a key so that will be my next job, good idea Mr PM to seek advice from 'one of our gurus here, to give us all a step by step tutorial on cutting keys for locks'

[mei-mei]

Soooo Argee did you also send him out for a 'long stand' or some 'tartan paint' or 'a replacement bubble for a spirit level'?

[13rebel]

Mr Pennymachines is spot on, best to keep the lock you have. I needed a key for my first allwin - a basic, traditional lock most seen on Oliver Whales, early Bryans and Wondermatics machines. Two 'locksmiths' were not interested and the third, someone who called himself a master locksmith that specialised in safe locks kept the lock for two weeks said it would be too expensive to do, without actually quoting me a price so presumably he couldn't be bothered. Mei-Mei, when you say 'down here', where is that?

[mei-mei]

Hi 13rebal, I am in Surrey. Mei-mei

[bryansshort]

Simple Yale lock on OW.

Pick and key I made.

Transparent lock and pick set for learning, loads of fun.

[bryansshort]

Mei-Mei, your lock has two screws which will allow you to get inside and mark the blank key once you find one.

[mei-mei]

Yes had the back off already to check the lock had not seized before I took it to the locksmiths. Mei-mei

[13rebel]

Mei mei,if you and your grand daughter fancy making sandcastles at sunny Bognor Regis on the West Sussex coast there is a very good locksmith at 'The Lock centre',I have used him a number of times.I'm sure he will make you a key but he rarely does it on the spot,turnaround is usually a couple of days so needing two trips-a bit too much for you perhaps? I was going to volunteer to take it in for you but I see Mr PM has covered that one,however if you did make the trip to drop it off I would be willing to pick it up and post it to you.You are spoilt for choice!

[mei-mei]

Thank you 13rebel so kind of you to offer. If it goes pear shaped with PM I will take you up on the offer. Mei-mei

[gameswat]

Mei, the lock you pictured is not an easy one for a beginner to re-key. Removing the two screws doesn't allow access to the tumbler or help with a blank key in any way. These use pins and are locked in either the open or shut position when the key is removed. To remove the tumbler for re-keying they must first be picked open. Then there are a few special tools needed to stop the pins and small springs falling out when removing and replacing the tumbler.

[mei-mei]

Thank you gameswat, it is always useful to have all the info to hand when making a decision. Mei-mei

[treefrog]

I remember thinking I was smart and could remove the barrel from one of these type of locks from one machine to another, only to find a pile of tiny springs and ball bearings launched into gaps in the floor boards.

Since I have reverted to just buying old stock locks, like the pile of new old stock yales locks below I bought recently (perfect as they are the small type and fit allwin lower doors and mills bandits)

We did talk about creating bump keys a long time ago and yet to get around to making one, even though I did buy a Yale key cutting machine with the key templates, still yet to use.

Certainly I would recommend using Yale as more common and blanks are easy to get and seem to not changed in design for 70 years, although probably not made now, but are in keeping wither the age of the machine.

[mei-mei]

Hi treefrog long time no hear. Wow where do you look to find job lots of locks? Smart move. Mei-mei

[jimmycowman]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303717460894. I lot of locks here. Unfortunately he won't split them