Aristocrat Bingo Clickety Click
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Well that's the first one done. The chrome that you see isn't actual chrome as they were wanting £700 to chrome these parts so I hunted the internet to best thing to chrome, and an American company do a powder coat as close to chrome as you can get, so I bought that, took it to my local powder coat place, and they did that but sorry I had to send them away to get de-chromed which companies were wanting £300 pound just to take it off !!! I got a place that done it for £60!! Yes, all my hunting the internet paid off, then comes another big bit - the decals. Some were missing, and the others were poor, so I had to redo the lot. I googled the machine and got a pic of what it was like, and drew it out myself, and estimated sizes by measuring the machine itself. Not cheap, but I got the best price as once the designer does your decal if I wanted to order it again as I did because I have two identical machines - yeh, rust as well! And you're not paying for the designer, it's just a copy the second time, but if anyone wants to know anything, just send me a message. More than willing to help.
All the best guys. Hope you like the pics.
Davie
All the best guys. Hope you like the pics.
Davie
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Well done The chrome or metal finish looks good. One thing I keep forgetting to do is a before picture on any machine I work on....
I have a few of these, one is the Esprit version with slightly narrower cabinet and two Elites. I am hoping to make one good as I have a few bits missing like coin tray.....so will spend up probably with a spare cabinet.
All the ones I have seen and have, the award belly glass was not screen printed, but a plastic sheet stuck inside.
I have a few of these, one is the Esprit version with slightly narrower cabinet and two Elites. I am hoping to make one good as I have a few bits missing like coin tray.....so will spend up probably with a spare cabinet.
All the ones I have seen and have, the award belly glass was not screen printed, but a plastic sheet stuck inside.
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Hi mate,
Yes, these had a bit of plastic inside on the award belly. As I said, I hunted for the same machine on the internet and took sizes of what it looked like, then got a window decal made and seems to have came out well. I spent a few bob on the first one but, as the other one is the same, the decals ended up cheap as I was just getting copies of what I had designed. I was having issues with the reels being slow, so dismantled all the reels. There wasn’t any grease as such. Put them back, but still slow. Badpenny said if I had brakes take them off, but they were already off, then after about a week dithering about with it all of a sudden the reels were banging round stopping like bang bang bang. II thought, 'great - sorted, nothing wrong with the reels', then went in later and they were back slow again. Not as slow as they were, but reel one stops, two stops, then three just as two stops so does three, so bit bewildered how this has happened. Been speaking to and forth with Jeremy on this. Any of your Elites done anything similar mate?
Davie
Yes, these had a bit of plastic inside on the award belly. As I said, I hunted for the same machine on the internet and took sizes of what it looked like, then got a window decal made and seems to have came out well. I spent a few bob on the first one but, as the other one is the same, the decals ended up cheap as I was just getting copies of what I had designed. I was having issues with the reels being slow, so dismantled all the reels. There wasn’t any grease as such. Put them back, but still slow. Badpenny said if I had brakes take them off, but they were already off, then after about a week dithering about with it all of a sudden the reels were banging round stopping like bang bang bang. II thought, 'great - sorted, nothing wrong with the reels', then went in later and they were back slow again. Not as slow as they were, but reel one stops, two stops, then three just as two stops so does three, so bit bewildered how this has happened. Been speaking to and forth with Jeremy on this. Any of your Elites done anything similar mate?
Davie
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Can you do a video of the issue, sometimes easier than describing.....
Slow reel bundles can relate to a number of issues including:
1) kicker does not engage properly, or a weak spring or damaged head, so not kicking reel bundle properly
2) grease, grime dirt etc affecting spinning smoothly
3) something blocking reels rotation, including a timing issue, so fingers or reel stops engaging at the wrong point
4) overtightened securing nuts, which can restrict bundle, or under tightened, meaning the bundle can move and interfere with other parts
5) bent main steel shaft. I have had this on an Aristocrat and it took me ages to work out why the reels were slow
6) damaged reel shaft splines (usually made of brass/copper). If worn or damaged, bent, dented etc., it can run badly
Plus probably more issues that will come to mind....
Reels not spinning correctly
Slow reel bundles can relate to a number of issues including:
1) kicker does not engage properly, or a weak spring or damaged head, so not kicking reel bundle properly
2) grease, grime dirt etc affecting spinning smoothly
3) something blocking reels rotation, including a timing issue, so fingers or reel stops engaging at the wrong point
4) overtightened securing nuts, which can restrict bundle, or under tightened, meaning the bundle can move and interfere with other parts
5) bent main steel shaft. I have had this on an Aristocrat and it took me ages to work out why the reels were slow
6) damaged reel shaft splines (usually made of brass/copper). If worn or damaged, bent, dented etc., it can run badly
Plus probably more issues that will come to mind....
Reels not spinning correctly
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This is where the kicker is kicking from. Do you think this is the result of the slow reels? If so, how can I fix this?
Thanks, Davie
Thanks, Davie
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I think it's time to tamper with the one thing we didn't want to fiddle with.
It's Dog & Anvil time!!
There's a lot written about it on here.
If you click here .....
..... you'll see we've had to address this more than a few times in the past.
Please read up on it, because if you don't fully understand/follow the instructions you'll be back here telling us sorry tales of your mech now being seized up and you can't release it.
BP
It's Dog & Anvil time!!
There's a lot written about it on here.
If you click here .....
..... you'll see we've had to address this more than a few times in the past.
Please read up on it, because if you don't fully understand/follow the instructions you'll be back here telling us sorry tales of your mech now being seized up and you can't release it.
BP
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Having got a bit bored with being locked away I decided to take a punt on a Bandit (always previously had Allwins) and saw an Aristocrat which was one of the Bandits you guys kindly recommended as a good starter machine. Anyway it seems fine and in good overall condition but as seems to be common, the reels run slowly -more like they need a kick rather than gunked up as they run freely when I stop the fan part way through a cycle but only run for a few turns when I let it complete a normal handle pull- so I've tried reading all the hints and tips on the forum and am about to have a go at removing the reel bundle so I can start by giving all the bits a good clean and a drop of light oil (apart from anything near the coins!) where needed.
What I need to be sure of is what to undo and what not to, to remove the reels (and put them back again) without mucking up the machine. There are 2 screws as marked on the pics (top blue, and red arrow), but also a circlip (bottom blue arrow) and 2 nuts (green arrow). Do either or all of these need removing please? Also I saw on a you-tube video someone saying the brakes should be disconnected before removing the reel bundle but that was on a Mills. Is there anything on the Aristocrat that similarly needs removing or slackening to get the reels out?
Apologies for the basic questions but I'd rather embarrass myself with silly questions than end up with bits I can't reassemble
Many thanks
Brian
What I need to be sure of is what to undo and what not to, to remove the reels (and put them back again) without mucking up the machine. There are 2 screws as marked on the pics (top blue, and red arrow), but also a circlip (bottom blue arrow) and 2 nuts (green arrow). Do either or all of these need removing please? Also I saw on a you-tube video someone saying the brakes should be disconnected before removing the reel bundle but that was on a Mills. Is there anything on the Aristocrat that similarly needs removing or slackening to get the reels out?
Apologies for the basic questions but I'd rather embarrass myself with silly questions than end up with bits I can't reassemble
Many thanks
Brian
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The red screw is just to tighten the rod, so just loosen slightly and undo the two nuts to remove.
Might be worth checking the kicker once the bundle is out, common issue on aristocrats is old grease gunking them up
Might be worth checking the kicker once the bundle is out, common issue on aristocrats is old grease gunking them up
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Thanks for your help, Treefrog. Just to check, does that mean the screw and circlip (blue arrows) the opposite end need loosening/removing respectively? I ask as I tend to have not a lot of luck with circlips that tend to spring off into a dark corner of my garage
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You can move the rod from the end where the clip is, you may have to move the coin return lever
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Thanks treefrog - reels suitably extracted and all looks well. I have attempted to attach a short video of the stops - they seem to activate fine but too quickly so that the whole spin cycle only takes about 3 seconds. The reels spin freely, it's just that the bar that releases the stops does so very quickly without giving the reels a chance to spin. Any suggestions please?
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I think you need to change the permissions on the video so public can see.
To add, the timing bar you refer to can be slowed down with the fans on the clock. When the fan edges are straight, they create more resistance and when bend sharply around less, so goes quicker. Also, the fan may not be operating correctly.
To add, the timing bar you refer to can be slowed down with the fans on the clock. When the fan edges are straight, they create more resistance and when bend sharply around less, so goes quicker. Also, the fan may not be operating correctly.
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Sorry treefrog - try this? Works my end so if not, I'll concede defeat
Meanwhile I'll see if straightening out the fan blades helps - thanks again for your help.
Meanwhile I'll see if straightening out the fan blades helps - thanks again for your help.
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The speed between each reel stop seems normal to me for an Aristocrat. How far does the timing bar which sticks out on one side go back? If it has greater travel it can make, then this can be pushed further to delay the initial start of the first reel stop with the dog and anvil, by extending the play and pushing the bar further.
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Thanks again for your patience treefrog! With the handle cocked ready to release the timing bar I can still manually move the bar back about another half inch which would, as you say, allow the reels to spin longer before the stops are activated. I see from various posts about dog and anvil, if that is the answer, it isn't something to tinker with unless you know what you are doing, which I don't (but more than willing to learn).
Would you be willing to advise me on this please, and how best to set the timing bar to go back further, or is it something best left alone?
Would you be willing to advise me on this please, and how best to set the timing bar to go back further, or is it something best left alone?
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Ok, 4 things to try
1) the fan, already mentioned about the effect the blade has. Of course there maybe a fault with the gearing on the clock, but unlikely
2) next one to try if this exists on your clock is the concentric Governor on the clock arm. See below marked with an arrow, if this exists you will find you can rotate this, giving more leverage to the timing bar by ensuring the fattest part is on the operating arm lever it connects with
3) dog and anvil. If you move the anvil to the left by undoing the nut on top, this will extend the operation of the operating arm at the back and pushing the clock. Do in small amounts as can affect other timing
4) last option is the arm that holds back the reel stop levers, in theory this may have got bent and I have bent them slightly to adjust timing as a last resort. This means removing the parts at the front and putting in a vice with a big hammer...very unscientific and should be last resort..
1) the fan, already mentioned about the effect the blade has. Of course there maybe a fault with the gearing on the clock, but unlikely
2) next one to try if this exists on your clock is the concentric Governor on the clock arm. See below marked with an arrow, if this exists you will find you can rotate this, giving more leverage to the timing bar by ensuring the fattest part is on the operating arm lever it connects with
3) dog and anvil. If you move the anvil to the left by undoing the nut on top, this will extend the operation of the operating arm at the back and pushing the clock. Do in small amounts as can affect other timing
4) last option is the arm that holds back the reel stop levers, in theory this may have got bent and I have bent them slightly to adjust timing as a last resort. This means removing the parts at the front and putting in a vice with a big hammer...very unscientific and should be last resort..
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Many thanks treefrog for the trouble you've gone to in your detailed reply It's why I love this forum; so many helpful dedicated enthusiasts
I'll work through your options over the next day or so and let you know the outcome.
I'll work through your options over the next day or so and let you know the outcome.
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Thanks for your help again treefrog - have worked through the list and learned a lot about how these creatures work in the process
The reels run reasonably fast and smooth so even though a cycle doesn't last as long as it might, I'm happy with this and wouldn't want to tinker any more on the basis that if it ain't broke don't fix it
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