Aristocrat Moneytree

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Hi Coppinpr
I took the clock apart and lo and behold I found a pin holding a cog onto the main shaft had sheered… so I replaced it and it seems to have fixed the clock.😊
However it still doesn’t spin the reels to any great extent….I am at a loss.
Can you please take a look at the attached video and advise what may be the problem?



Also I took the below pic after I noticed a lever near the fingers which doesn’t do anything during the cycle.
Appreciate any advice..
Thank you
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OK, we had to fix the clock, and now we have. Perhaps tf and bp would like to comment at this point. To my eye, the machine doesn't load up fully, hence the short unwind. It's clear the clock doesn't fully load, and the slides don't move far enough forward, so we can assume nothing else is going the distance either. I'm tempted to say the timing on the "dog and anvil" is out and the dog slips off too soon (before the machine has fully loaded), but we need the input from the others before we even think of adjusting the dog.

Aristo is the man to advise on the lever. Hopefully, he will join the conversation.
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Thanks Coppinpr
I feel the same... it isn’t winding up enough…
Hopefully I can get some more advice… Cheers and thanks again.
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Not winding up enough, suggests the reset doesn't complete, which in turn indicates the clock get pushed far enough ...... so the brake on the pay out slides doesn't engage and finally the kicker doesn't doesn't fully engage.
Which takes us back to extending the anvil just a smidge at a time, for the reasons described in the link I posted previously.

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OK, so it's looking more and more like you need to adjust the anvil. Read this from the "tips & tricks" section. I wrote this 4 years ago and it sounds remarkably like your machine's problems. If you decide to give it a try, take care. If you go too far, the machine will jam in the loaded position and do its best to smash your fingers as you unjam it.
Adjusting worn bandit "dog & cog" so cycle completes
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Thanks Coppinpr
I just read that post…agree it does seem to describe my machine perfectly…
Looking at pics of other Aristocrat machines on this site I can see my dog is significantly past the horizontal... I expect this may cause the cycle to not complete????
Should I try and get that right first???
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Trouble with these videos is you’re firing the machine so quickly it is difficult to tell what the hell is going on.

What would be good is to see clear still shots from all sides before you cycle the machine (full pictures of mechanism, not zoomed into a spot). I am particularly interested in see the other end, which we never see, with the timing bar on and whether that is starting in the right place. One problem that is clear, is that your machine does not start in the correct position in the first place, so it never completed the previous cycle...
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tommy1 wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:50 amLooking at pics of other Aristocrat machines on this site I can see my dog is significantly past the horizontal.
It only appears that way because, as TF righty says, it's not in the correct start position. When a machine has several problems at the same time it is, of course, a nightmare because one problem is hiding the next. We have the clock fixed now so we are moving forward, but remember without the missing slides and slide cover it will never pay, out even if it runs correctly.
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Hi Coppinpr,
How many slides am I missing?
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Hi TF
I have taken a few pics as you suggested… I currently have the reel ratchets off so I took the pics as is.
I also include a couple of pics of a plate a took off to check and clean… It seems to have taken a beating and slightly bent…
Appreciate your thoughts…
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The part shown pushes back the vertical fingers and I cannot tell if out of shape as don’t have one in front of me to compare.

The timing bar shown below should move further to the left to complete the cycle and release the slide stop lever. Try by hand moving this to the left - it should go all the way. If it does not, you need to track what is stopping it.

In terms of the slides, assuming what we see is what you have, share a picture of the front of the machine so we can see the awards. We can then tell you how many and the type it should have.
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Hi TF
Re Timing Bar - it is stopped going any further by the kicker which hits the cam on the clock… I am thinking the dog / kicker is not in right position to start with??? Am I thinking too much? 🧐

I took a pic of the arm at the back and note it does not go to the top during the cycle…it goes to rest at the bottom at the end of the cycle.

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Below is a better pic of the slides. From my measurement it looks as though 1 is missing(depending on the thickness) gap is about 10mm and each slide is 7mm thick.

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Can you advise what this screw serves? I removed it (only about 1/4” long) and it simply screws into the main cast frame and doesn’t hold anything….

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The dog or kicker should not stop the timing bar. The cam you mention does allow small adjustment as it is offset and you can hand turn around to the thinnest setting, but doubt it would be enough.

The slides - we need to see your award plate on the front of the machine to know what is the correct number, usually 5 or 6, but can vary.

The screw at the bottom is the upper finger pivot pin and goes through all the upper fingers.

You can try adjusting the dog anvil, moving the bar inwards. This will give a greater leverage, but as mentioned, the whole timing bar needs to move further back.
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OK, while we have photos of the rear, let's be sure you are aware of what's going on during the wind-up in this area. I assume the plate you removed is (A). This takes a pounding and might be bent, but it should not make a difference unless it's very bad. This plate is a good indicator of the clock not winding far enough. When the clock winds up in the direction of the green arrow it should lift (A) and pull (C) underneath it, so that as the clock unwinds. (A) is held up for a short while; this is so (A) can hold back all the fingers in the (B) area away from the pay discs during the unwind.

I don't know Aristos well enough to tell what slides are missing. I'm guessing two, but if they are 1 coin, 2 coin, 3 coin, I wouldn't know. We would need to see the award card for your machine so we know the payouts to work it out. We would also need to know what slides ARE there (1 coin, 2 coin etc.) AND what coins the machine is using. You are also missing the slide top plate that holds them all in place. Also, as mentioned earlier, the coin tube, reject tube are missing (I might have those).
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Thanks TF
Yes the timing bar still has another 1-1.5” to go….turning the cam around to its thinnest point would make little difference as you suggest.
That screw is only about 1/4” long…thread is about 3/32”….unless it is holding in a pin that goes thru the fingers??? Almost directly above is the screw pin which holds the plate that pushes the fingers back.
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Thanks Coppinpr…
Having pulled it to bits I have learned a lot of how a good part of the machine works…including how that plate holds the fingers back so the reels can spin….
One part I don’t quite get yet is what actually makes the reels spin… As mine does not complete the full cycle, I can’t see what actually pushes the reels…
I had no idea about the slides you mentioned… How they are different representing different number of coins… 😳
I’ll take pics of the ones I have tomorrow and of the front of the machine…
You mentioned you may have some parts???. That would be fantastic if that was the case…
Cheers
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Hi All
I hereby attach pics of the coin slides I have - the only marking on them is 135-12 and 135-13.
Also the pic of the front of the machine. It takes 10c coins.
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On the small screw….I found it holds a plate which covers the pin for the fingers…
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You should have 6 slides as it is a standard 20 coin payout, so order from bottom upwards is 2 coin, 3 coin, 5 coin, 4 coin, 4 coin and a 2 coin on top.

The pin that holds all the upper fingers in place goes through each of them.

One thing not asked, was whether any of the upper fingers are touching the metal pay discs on the reels, as if they have not been held back far enough they will interfere with the firing of the machine.
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Hello TF
Thank you very much for that info.
I have checked and I have 2 black plastic slides, 1 is for 5 coins the other is for 4. I also have these 2 which are of an alloy and are 2 coins high each. Is the one on the right also considered a payout slide? Which would mean I am missing a 3 and a 4 coin slide....
The fingers rest against the pay discs until the cycle commences during which they are well clear of the discs.
I have been able to locate a service manual for a similar machine which includes how to set the dog and anvil so I will try to follow that next few days.
Happy to share that manual if anyone would like a copy.
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