BMCo auto prize payout allwin signage?

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gameswat wrote:So tonight I made this simple two part jig
Simple ??

You have an incredible skill set gameswat, simply amazing........how did you cut out the shape so precisely from the flat steel plate for the female section
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Argg, what I meant is this is a very basic stamp and die set compared to what the factory used to originally make them. Theirs was a lot more refined to get everything done in one go, while as I opted to leave out much of it making the two parts much quicker to fabricate. Such as the countersinking pieces I left out of the female section, I just use the male only and place three countersunk wood screws in the holes and torqued in the vice to push those countersunk holes into the bracket.

Cutting the female was very simple, just scratched a line around the male that I cut first and added about 3mm extra for the sheet steel. Then drilled a bunch of small hole almost touching just inside of the lines all the way around, then to join those used a diamond wire hacksaw blade which can cut in any direction, then a little hand filing. If you look a the original brackets they're pretty roughly made anyway so no reason to get too fancy.

PM, I just realised today that the two brackets needed are actually different lengths, after I mocked up a couple using the arch bracket. That bracket doesn't sit at 45 degrees. So the bottom bracket is longer than the upright. Can you please take a few pics of yours and the length please. I made some extra brackets today already so will prob just cut down the existing dies to now make the smaller ones.
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Bit rusty. The support strut is slightly ribbed with 5/16" lugs at each end which fit into slots in the bracket.
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Thank you PM. !!CHEERS!! I took the quick way out since I didn't need to keep the original tooling and remade them from 4" down to 3". Only meant milling off the end of the male and rounding the new end and adding the countersunk hole, and for the female I added a blanking piece that got silver soldered in. I just pressed out the first sample at 2.45am and worked well!
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Well dammit - the prototype is done and worked out! Made a 90 degree jig last night for brazing the corner joint to keep them all the same and square. And tonight bodged together another simple two part die to press in that strengthening ridge down the centre of the crossbar. I figured the simplest way to make those curved crossbars was to cut a straight strip on the shears and then heat that and bend around a handy piece of curved steel that was sitting nearby. Then just the two ends need minor cutting after pressing. A lot of f*#@ing around to make a bracket that is not even seen from the front of the machine! But I'm one of these idiots who likes a challenge and can't stop until it's just 'so'. Needless to say I'm usually penniless. :dammit: !!SUICIDAL!!
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**xXx** !WORSHIPFULL! !!GOODJOB!!
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gameswat wrote:bodged together another simple two part die


Oxford English dictionary definition of bodged "Make or repair (something) badly or clumsily." :didact:

Gameswat, your skill is inversely proportional to this definition.
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ps are you taking orders?
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You'll have to get in line, Mates. He has to get my AutoTalkie up and running properly before he takes on any gypsy work.

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Come on John, spill the beans. What's all this about AutoTalkie?
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arrgee wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:56 pm ps are you taking orders?
Well since nobody showed interest until the last day I wasn't planning on making many at all, and semi dismantled my tooling because of that! I currently have enough pieces to make a small run but after I've made a few I'll decide if I can even be bothered, and then what I'd charge for a set.

JP is just jealous that my BMCo Prize machine has a marquee...............and displaying an Auto Talkie! :o

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pennymachines wrote:Remember this?
I should have, as I commented on it only 13 years ago ! !!UHOH!!
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Oh Gameswat, why must you live so far away?? :(

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Gameswat, as a toolmaker myself I am very impressed at your ability and improvisation. !!THUMBSX2!!
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Aha! a toolmaker among our members. You have let the cat out of the bag now highfield....... !!THUMBSX2!!
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Pretty happy with the finished marquee but really should be after all the time and effort expended. :burp: Was not a fan of that shape at all to begin with but has definitely grown on me. Brackets shown are all my own hand made and distressed. I decided to keep the two rusty original pieces as patterns. Marquee art is my best guess based on this Favourite by them at the time. They made paper and mirrored signs and have always adored the sign writing they did on the card versions. Same as BMCo I printed the lettered sections then hand airbrushed in the highlights, making every sign they did that way a one off really. These machines are rare but not because of fragile mechs like the coin return models, these prize versions are truly bulletproof in comparison. I can only guess a much higher price and heavier/larger size stopped them being more popular? They weren't offered in the Hong Kong Works catalogue circa 1938 while all the coin return models were.
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Very slick, Gameswat, very slick indeed. Stir up a batch of two more, please, My games are envious. And naked.

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Absolutely excellent job gameswat, well done !!THUMBSX2!! **xXx**
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Superb and undermines my confidence in discerning original from new!

So you printed the text and airbrushed over parts of it to get that effect?
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Yes PM, all the fade is added after printing. The BMCo original main name lettering in orange/red was silkscreened, then shadow added in green by hand using an airbrush. The dark blue "The" and "For Amusement Only" was hand sign written, then highlighted in orange by airbrush. You'll often notice the spacing of this hand written part is off centre. And finally a purplish blue fade airbrushed around the outer edge. I do have an airbrush function on my digital pen/tablet and could have done the fade that way I guess and printed all as one, but wanted to keep it as close as possible to original. The blue lettering was easy enough to replicate as just stole that from the "Favourite" copy. But to get the new "Prize Cup" lettering to fit the same style took a bit of time. I ended up printing out a copy of just the cleaned up blue lettering and a faint line showing the arched shape I needed for the main name. Then sat down and sketched that with pencil until I was fairly happy. Then blackened that out with marker and retouched with white paint until I had it pretty decent. Then scanned and fitted to the blue lettering ready for printing. Made a handful of copies to experiment with and just kept the best one. I think the paper marquee art suits this particular game better having more colour involved than the mirrors, especially the green fade which ties in well to the very basic green playfield. The mirror lettering style is a simplified version and not as attractive either.
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