Bryans Locks
Bryans Locks
I am trying to complete my Bryans Bullion project and need an original small lock for the cashbox draw.
I have been told that they were made by Lowe & Fletcher. Can anyone confirm? If someone has a photo that they can post on this website, then I will copy and paste and add it to the 'wanted section' unless anyone can dig me out beforehand.
Best wishes C!
I have been told that they were made by Lowe & Fletcher. Can anyone confirm? If someone has a photo that they can post on this website, then I will copy and paste and add it to the 'wanted section' unless anyone can dig me out beforehand.
Best wishes C!
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Re: Bryans Locks
Lowe & Fletcher locker locks are availiable in two lengths 6 & 16mm neither are the correct length for Bryans Machines but both can be used. On the 6mm barrel the key almost fouls the door. On the 16mm barrel the lock is proud of the door. As far as I am aware they are still availiable from a good locksmith though it's a couple of years since I last bought some.
If brass Lowe & Fletcher locks were previously used you will have to open up the hole in the door.
Regards Jim
If brass Lowe & Fletcher locks were previously used you will have to open up the hole in the door.
Regards Jim
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I was curious to see if I had any locks left. Here's what I found. The lock on the right I have no key for is the right length of 1/2", no longer availiable. The lock on the right is the 6mm barrel. I don't have any of the longer 16mm locks left, hence no picture.
Regards Jim
Regards Jim
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I can see it !!!!!!!!!!!!!
heres what I found the lock on the right I have no key for .......... Panic ye not Bryansjim!!!! I've found your missing key ..... it's just behind the lock.
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Re: Bryans Locks
Hi, thanks for the info. A little confused - a bit like an English football player who has just had their striker taken-off in the second half for no apparent reason!
I have just been shown a lock attached to a cashbox door which is definitely a Lowe & Fletcher one (1/2" as you say) but brass coloured and also tapered off at the edges. The owner has other's which are the same. Were there different L&F lock's fitted or did their design change?
I have just been shown a lock attached to a cashbox door which is definitely a Lowe & Fletcher one (1/2" as you say) but brass coloured and also tapered off at the edges. The owner has other's which are the same. Were there different L&F lock's fitted or did their design change?
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Just to confuse you. I believe all early Bryans machines were fitted with Yale locks. Including the fifties allwins, and my Bullion cash drawer lock which is definately original.
Mabye later machines were fitted with Lowe and Fletcher brass coloured locks?
The Lowe and Fletcher locks pictured are much later locks which fit Bryans machines and I have used them myself as a temporary measure until I obtain an original, which are now very hard to come by.
Clear as mud?
Pictured is my original Elevenses lock, exactly the same as my Bullion cash drawer.
Mabye later machines were fitted with Lowe and Fletcher brass coloured locks?
The Lowe and Fletcher locks pictured are much later locks which fit Bryans machines and I have used them myself as a temporary measure until I obtain an original, which are now very hard to come by.
Clear as mud?
Pictured is my original Elevenses lock, exactly the same as my Bullion cash drawer.
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Hmmm. The plot thickens. I have done a patent check on 3 early Bryans machine locks - sad I know but they were all Lowe & Fletcher ones. I haven't yet seen a Yale one fitted. On Ebay there is an early Elevenses which also has the L&F lock fitted and has the tapered edges.
Do you have anymore or are there anymore Bryans machines with these 'small' Yale locks fitted?
Do you have anymore or are there anymore Bryans machines with these 'small' Yale locks fitted?
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Re: Bryans Locks
Just to say, I forgot to mention, all my Bryans machines have Yale locks, either like the photo I posted, or the square Yale locks used on later macines.
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I have just examined a Bullion numbered 202 and an early allwin. Both have the same type of lock shown on the left of Bryansjim's photo (shown above)
Are there any early Bryans 40's machine's out there? Did they use the small Yale type locks?
Are there any early Bryans 40's machine's out there? Did they use the small Yale type locks?
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Re: Bryans Locks
Looking at an early version side-opening Payramid, I see a small brass lock of the type shown previously, but without a maker's name. Clearly this design was common and manufactured by Yale, Lowe & Fletcher and several other companies and Bryans would have bought in whatever was best priced at the time.
The square flanged design now supplied by Lowe & Fletcher is the modern equivalent. They're available in three barrel lengths and can usually be fitted using the original screw holes. The downside is they're zinc plated, not brass and the wider flanges obstruct on some machines.
The square flanged design now supplied by Lowe & Fletcher is the modern equivalent. They're available in three barrel lengths and can usually be fitted using the original screw holes. The downside is they're zinc plated, not brass and the wider flanges obstruct on some machines.
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Yale. The company was founded in Stamford, Connecticut, USA. See A Gazetteer of Lock and Key Makers for details and their 1865 pin tumbler lock patent.
See Lowe & Fletcher 7 lever rim locks for the modern versions (actually available in 4 barrel lengths I think).
See Lowe & Fletcher 7 lever rim locks for the modern versions (actually available in 4 barrel lengths I think).
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Thank you Bryansjim, Bryans Fan and Pennymachines.
All your info has been really helpful and interesting. I now need to find someone with a spare lock!
Best wishes to all C!
All your info has been really helpful and interesting. I now need to find someone with a spare lock!
Best wishes to all C!
Re: Bryans Locks
Almost right but not quite. I need that 1/2 inch extension, if you know what I mean?
Bryans allwin locks
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I need your help forum. I have a Bryan’s Elevenses with a missing key on the cash draw, so I need to replace the lock. The lock has Yale etched on it, but is this the correct lock ? The lock on the main door uses a flat type key which does look original. So the question is do I get another Yale lock or a flat type key lock?
Thanks.
I need your help forum. I have a Bryan’s Elevenses with a missing key on the cash draw, so I need to replace the lock. The lock has Yale etched on it, but is this the correct lock ? The lock on the main door uses a flat type key which does look original. So the question is do I get another Yale lock or a flat type key lock?
Thanks.
Re: Which lock?
Welcome ged8 to the Forum. Most Bryans machines I have seen used the Yale cam lock on the doors with the smaller 'flat key' locks on the cash door drawers (although there are variants to this). I would always try to keep it that way when replacing locks, unless the hole for the original flat key type lock has been bored out to receive a larger diameter lock.
Re: Which lock?
Thanks for the welcome, and thanks for the advice. What I have is like your photo, but in the reverse, Yale for the cash box and the flat key lock ( Union) for the door. It just looks wrong the Yale, but if that’s how it should be, so be it.
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